Status do blog, sebos, fotos e debian [Blog do Thadeu Penna]

Paulo Marcel Coelho Aragão, 09/Jul/2009 07:41

Aindo que o epíteto «fotógrafo» seja uma hipérbole para caracterizar o que eu faço — que eu considero como «permitir que meu olho olhe sem que eu interfira em demasia» —, meu olho agradece o entusiasmo de Thadeu com as coisas que eles (meu olho e Thadeu) olharam …

Paulo Marcel Coelho Aragão, 09/Jul/2009 07:52

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Caetano, 09/Jul/2009 21:25

=D Thadeu, eu não conheço bem o gimp. Ja usei, mas muito superficialmente. Tenho certeza que de que é possível fazer muita coisa, pois contraste, corte, brilho, contraste etc… Até um software bem mais simples, como um picasa da vida faz muito bem.

Mas mas… para photoshop existem uma gama de plugins e actions ja muito bem estabelicidas. Eu faço aqui, uma promessa de que instalo linux e gimp o dia que alguém me mostrar edições como essas aqui: rs

http://fotosite.terra.com.br/images_new/colunistas/2005_08_04/foto1_229.jpg

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tjpp, 09/Jul/2009 21:47

oi Caetano

a primeira promessa é conseguir o cartoon autografado do Carlos Ruas, do Um Sábado Qualquer, atualmente minha tirinha favorita. A outra, que você acabou de fazer, é fácil cumprir: http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/pspi.html . Como usar os plugins do Photoshop no Gimp, no Windows ou no Linux 32 bits :)

Aliás, vocÊ deveria ter linkado sua página, suas fotos são fantásticas também: qual mesmo o link da Santa Ceia ??

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Caetano, 09/Jul/2009 22:11

Opa! Ai fico interessante, ja to baixando o Gimp!

O meu site é meu nome msm, www.caetanovidal.com.br. E a Santa Ceia rs, tem um link pra ela aqui: http://www.caetanovidal.com.br/santaceia.jpg

Tem até uma propaganda do IF UFF nela rs

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Paulo Marcel Coelho Aragão, 10/Jul/2009 23:21

Um comentário a uma discussão que arrisca esterilizar-se: Edward Weston, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Eugene W. Smith, Ansel Adams, André Kertész, Paul Strand, Alfred Stieglitz, apenas para citar uns poucos nomes, não usavam Photoshop (nem Gimp …). A tecnologia é mera ferramenta, é meio e não fim. Não há Photoshop ou Gimp que salvem uma má foto … O que importa é: o olho !

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Caetano, 11/Jul/2009 00:33

Olá Paulo Marcel, Primeiro parabéns pela série, eu vi toda no flickr e realmente gostei. Em especial a conversão pra P&B está muito boa, o que é no mínimo incomum com fotografias digitais.

Mas voltando ao assusnto… Ahh, isso vai longe. Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Beatles, The Who e muitos outros, em seus melhores discos só gravaram em equipamentos de audio analogicos. Mas sempre usaram equipamentos de ponta, que em sua epoca eram exclusivamente analogicos. No entanto boto minha mão no fogo que se fossem gravar hoje em dia, só usariam protools HD num monitos de 32” eo escambau e mais um pouquinho.

Claro que Cartier-Bresson, Ansel Adams, Robert Kappa, Steve McCurry usavam filme exclusivamente, eles também costumavam usar equipamentos de ponta para suas finalidades. E usavam também de edição pesada (sim, pois é possível fazer edições inacreditavels num laboratorio quimico e de ampliação). Mas se olhar a relação de atuais fotografos da Magnum, como Alex Majoli, Christopher Anderson … Usam digital, e photoshop (ou gimp ou outro software). Essa é a ferramenta mais atual, e merece debate como eles certamente debatiam as questões relevantes dos meios analogicos a anos ou decadas atrás.

Abraços, Caetano

Paulo Marcel Coelho Aragão, 11/Jul/2009 00:58

Caetano,

Há um dito budista que reza (a citação não é exata): «a mente é um machado que afiamos para que um dia possa ser usado para cortar o próprio cabo e torná-lo inútil». As artes japonesas primam pelo exercício exaustivo da técnica, para que em algum momento a técnica possa ser prescindida.

A tecnologia está aí: a praia pode e deve ser invadida e apropriada. Como você perspicazmente destacou, The Beatles, Ansel Adams, invadiram e dominaram amplamente suas «praias». Mas tecnologia é samurai: vira “ronin” se não serve a um senhor … Os refletores da discussão devem estar voltados aos «senhores» e não à «praia» …

Pouco importa se esta ou aquela tecnologia façam isto ou aquilo. Importa, sim, o que o «senhor» precisa dela. Micro-ondas faz maravilhas, mas eu não preciso, nunca precisei, de micro-ondas …

Abraço !

Paulo

PS: Para converter a PB, usei um plugin do Gimp chamado “BW Film Simulation” (pacote Debian gimp-plugin-registry) com os seguintes parâmetros:

Film: Ilford Delta 400 Pro & 3200 Increase Local Contrast Auto Levels Drop Gamma 10% Saturate

Confissão: Não compreendo todos esses parâmetros. Cheguei a eles por tentativa e erro …

Paulo Marcel Coelho Aragão, 11/Jul/2009 01:02

Caetano,

Uma “coda” a meu post: uma «boa» (esse patanoso conceito …) foto pode ser realçada, melhorada com tecnologia. Uma «má» foto, nem Zeus lá em cima, tampouco Hades lá embaixo, podem ajudar …

Paulo

Sérgio Lima, 11/Jul/2009 06:08

Opa Tadeu!

A única regra de ouro sobre blogues é, não siga regras de ouro nem gurus de blogue… seja simplesmente passional e escreva sobre o que gosta e/ou o que sabe :-)

Eu gosto da “nuvem de tags” daqui :-)

Paulo Marcel Coelho Aragão, 11/Jul/2009 18:36

Thadeu !

Minha mãe é uma senhora de 60+ anos que nunca trabalhou fora de casa. Há alguns anos desabrochou para o universo dos computadores. O último presente de aniversário que lhe dei foi um HD externo, onde ela faz backup de seus arquivos rigorosamente não só toda semana como antes de qualquer mudança grande.

Ensinei a ela o pouco que sei do Gimp, que ela usa para redimensionar, rotacionar, recortar fotos, e fazer montagens. Com KeepNote, ela escreve mini-tutoriais para cada tarefa nova que ela aprende.

Voltando de um churrasco na casa de uma amiga com quem ela faz mosaicos, ela passou aqui em casa para pegar uma cópia do “Trinity Rescue Kit” (http://trinityhome.org): um vírus havia aparecido em seu pendrive, e ela estava preocupada que houvesse se espalhado pelo PC. Então me perguntou: «Marcel, qual é mesmo o endereço do site do Gimp ?». Durante o churrasco, conversando sobre fotos, uma amiga lhe perguntou que programa ela usava para «mexer» nas fotos, e ela recomendou o Gimp. Se prontificou a enviar à amiga o endereço do site e os mini-tutoriais que ela havia escrito.

Quando ela começou a aprender a usar o Gimp, vasculhamos a Web em busca de introduções claras, em Português. Não encontrei nada que me parecesse adequado a ela. Acabei comprando um livro que tampouco gostei. Também não conseguimos o Help do Gimp em Português. Ainda assim, com essa rarefação de material didático apropriado em Português, ela não desistiu, foi aprendendo, continua aprendendo, uma pequena tarefa de cada vez, e agora divulga e repassa o que conseguiu acumular.

Pois é, achei que você gostaria de ouvir essa estória. Não deixa de relacionar-se e ampliar o tema original do teu post.

Um abraço

Paulo

tjpp, 13/Jul/2009 10:51

Olá Paulo

pedi ao meu designer oficial, Cadunico, que me passou umas referências em português para o Gimp. Acho o Gimpzine bem legal:

Sites: http://www.ogimp.com.br/ e http://www.gimp.com.br

Livro: http://novatec.com.br/livros/gimp/

Revista digital: http://www.ogimp.com.br/gimpzine/

Hands on: http://www.linuxsolutions.com.br/noticias/curso-hands-on-edic-o-profissional-de-imagens-com-gimp.html

infelizmente o hands on do Cadunico será só aqui no Rio.

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Paulo Marcel Coelho Aragão, 15/Jul/2009 07:49

Thadeu !

Você é um «vetor de transmissão» de conhecimento ! Oxalá o Adolfo Lutz nunca encontre uma vacina para você, muito pelo contrário, torço para que o seu «vírus» — cujo principal sintoma é a difusão contínua de conhecimento — se espalhe com mais tenacidade e descontrole que a Gripe Suína na Argentina …

O livro da NOVATEC é o que eu havia comprado para minha mãe. Não gostei dele, ela muito menos. Gosto do “Grokking the Gimp”, mas ela não lê em Inglês.

De gimp.com.br, eu já havia pescado alguns tutoriais para ela. O gimpzine eu não conhecia. Pena que entre Curitiba e o Rio de Janeiro há tanta distância geográfica (e anímica !): teria matriculado minha mãe no curso do teu designer.

Talvez não fosse necessário explicitar: muito obrigado por tuas generosas referências.

Abração !

Paulo

PS: O Jaime não conhecia o teu blog. Já corrigi a omissão …

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